Posts by Introvert 2

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New documentary on JWs made by an ex-JW in Canada(Quebec) in french

by yalbmert99 in

hi, for those who can understand french, on sept.2 in canada(quebec) on channel tva aired a documentary on jws made by an ex-jw, jean-sebastien lozeau.

it is now on youtube, but it will probably be deleted soon.

so watch it before it dissappears.

Introvert 2

OK super merci je vais regarder ça toute à l'heure !

Thanks this is great ! Hey anyone else in the greater Montreal area shoot me a PM !

Très apprécié !

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I see it differently

by John Aquila in

15 years ago ceo scott mcnealy said those famous words; you have zero privacy anyway.

everyone has a phone with a camera.

every day someone leaks a sex video.

Introvert 2

Good stuff John ! The society's worst nightmare, the internet. Thank-you Ray Franz and Don Cameron !

Just sent a .pdf of ISOCF to my shop neighbor. His wife went to a meeting once, her first and last in the late seventies when she was single. So insulted was she that she stopped the study right then and there and never went back. What got her upset was the bashing of other religions and the superiority complex.

I sent them COC earlier this summer and she loved it. It gave her closure as to what happened back then when she got involved.

Good one Millie210, I was thinking about that Daniel quote myself a few days ago !

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What woke you up?

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

so what woke me up?

an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

Introvert 2

Now that's romance Lisa Rose, love it ! Happy for you sis !

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Independent article: Spiritual abuse

by Tornintwo in

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i've been reading about different types of emotional abuse to help me define and cope with my difficult marriage, came across this article : 7 ways a person can be abused, by a psychologist.

http://pro.psychcentral.com/exhausted-woman/2015/08/7-ways-a-person-can-be-abused/.

includes forms of 'spiritual abuse' - these sound familiar?.

Introvert 2

Good stuff, I've always though of it as Spiritual Abuse, good article will forward some friends.

BTW : BEST POST EVER !

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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

by The Rebel in

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the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

Introvert 2

I got the new Greatest Man That Ever Lived book this summer at the assembly. I couldn't even get past the first page before putting it down in disgust. Who writes these things and what kind of English is that ? It reads like a serial manipulator with an agenda, oh wait.. Their material always had a slant to it, even as kids we'd pick up on it and my brother would make fun of it but it seems to have become exponentially worst over time.

On edit : Always makes me feel like my freedom to think for myself is being intruded upon.

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Books by Former Witnesses

by GiftsinMen in

i am interested in reading books published by former jws which detail personal experiences of their time with the organisation.

i know of coc, exiting the jw cult, mamas club, 30yrs a wt slave, and told ones were written by otwo, punk and terry.

i'd like to spend some time making my way through them so titles, authors and links would be really useful.

Introvert 2

The Four Presidents of the Watchtower Society seems like a good read, am ordering that as well.

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Books by Former Witnesses

by GiftsinMen in

i am interested in reading books published by former jws which detail personal experiences of their time with the organisation.

i know of coc, exiting the jw cult, mamas club, 30yrs a wt slave, and told ones were written by otwo, punk and terry.

i'd like to spend some time making my way through them so titles, authors and links would be really useful.

Introvert 2

Neat GIM, your book is on my list. If you go into Amazon I find that they mostly all come up. Ray Franz's books are a must read as well as Don Cameron's Captives of a Concept. But I agree the first person biographies are great, better than going to the movies ! I enjoyed Journey to God's House by Brock Talon as well as New Boy's Bethel stories on Freeminds. Pretty cool that you post here thanks !

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"Crises of Conscience"

by Olivia Wilde in

i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

Introvert 2

I once read that someone ( a Bethelite ) addressed Nathan Knorr on a first name basis in front of a tour group and was sent packing for insubordination. How wonderful..

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What Convinced you to Leave?

by LaurenM in

i've been posting here a lot, but these last few weeks have been very difficult for me.

anyways, lately, i've been thinking about confessing everything i've done to the elders and going back, but deep down, i don't really think it's the truth...so my question is, what convinced you it wasn't the truth and that leaving wasn't a horrible decision that everyone in the truth makes it out to be?

Introvert 2

Lauren, you might want to check out this guy's material here :

http://www.churchofgodandchrist.com/

His name is Arne and he's based out of Norway and was a Lutheran, studied with the JW's and the Adventists then learnt to translate Greek on his own. He's been at it 25 years now and does this simply because it's right, wants no praise and think he's now able to subsist off his publications alone. I've been reading some of his material and ordered a couple of commentaries, they are logical and plainspoken in laymen's terms. Easy to read and understand. In my case most of my beliefs are still intact and are Kingdom based but not dependent on any particular organization. It's been mentioned on this site that the JW religion is a 10-15 deal and I agree with this as I started with near zero Bible knowledge and am now ready for something better than what is presented by the society.

And Don Cameron author of the book Captives of a Concept answers very well the question of to whom shall we go to. : Christ Jesus ! As JW's we are conditioned to think we need to belong to a group or an organization, it's not so !

Some others I like are :

http://www.reasoningwithjehovahswitnesses.com/

http://www.perimeno.ca/

http://meletivivlon.com/

As for myself I attempted to DA earlier this year but wasn't ready. I went back to meetings a few times, went to the summer assembly and almost had a panic attack listening to the WT drone part and having to look at huge screens with talking heads in my face. The last meeting I went to was a symposium type Sunday talk and one of the brothers was directing our worship to the GB and FDS in his talk. I knew then that I'd had enough and started to look for something better. Getting out isn't the same for everyone and there will be days where we'll awonder if we are making the right decision to leave. Takes time, prayer and research. I actually asked Jehovah to let me see the truth of the matter and one of the points in Don Cameron's book is the need for divine help in many cases.

Reading Ray Franz's COC and ISOCF was also a big help as were all the Bethelite stories coming out of Freeminds and Brock Talon's Journey to God's house. Look up New Boy's stories as well they are a hoot ! He used to post here a few years back and the links are all there. The power tripping and politics of the organization are mind blowing. I'll be ordering the book Four Presidents of the Watchtower society shortly, and there are many others as well. As is often said you can't make this stuff up !

Best wishes from the Introvert

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What woke you up?

by Israel Ricky Gonzales in

in march of 2014, i was a very active jw, a ministerial servant, gave a public talk, was an attendant for the memorial, and one of 4 cleaning captains for an international convention of 40,000+ attendees.

so what woke me up?

an innocent comment from a co-worker about the candice conti court case rang a bell that could not be unrung.

Introvert 2

Also wanted to add the egomaniacs in the org, from top down at all levels : Strut

Lack of healthy lifestyle, many are sick and portly.